He looks away to think for a moment, doing a little calculating before he answers. "One hundred and twenty... seven? Yes, one hundred and twenty seven years ago since it was recognised worldwide."

Lichtenstein frowns, and takes the opportunity to drink while he listens. "That's tricky. If Caspar really didn't know what he was until a certain point, then maybe some of her understanding is also blocked. That does raise the question of how much power their seniors have over them."